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Vesta Opalus
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Posted - 2015.03.18 00:54:00 -
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I've been using the Ion Pistol a bit lately, and here are my thoughts:
Its a pretty good pistol, nice when you whip it out and spam some guy to death or for a nice peekaboo charged shot.
The problem is that the weapon has no niche to fit in.
If I want spammy power within the ion pistols range, I'd much rather have the submachine gun. If I want a longer range precision sidearm, the scrambler pistol or bolt pistol are clearly superior.
The only thing thats unique about the gun is the charge shot, but since it overheats and does pretty mediocre damage, it leaves you too open, especially given the pistol's range that pretty much guarantees you have someone on your doorstep ready to smack you around while you are vulnerable.
Problems with the Ion Pistol:
Range - At 30 meters with no gradual drop-off afterward, this pistol will not do a damn thing past this range. This makes it a very poor precision sniping sidearm like the scrambler or bolt pistols. Any fitting that is looking to compensate for a short primary weapon range such as a shot-gunner or HMG user can keep looking, because the ion pistol does not fit the bill.
Charge Shot - The charge shot, while interesting, is poorly implemented on this gun, since its short range means any mistake at all will guarantee significant opening for the enemy for a rather weak damage output (credit where its due though, its very fun to head shot snipers from 5 meters away with). In addition to this the charge mechanic on the gun is extremely unforgiving and you can easily find yourself overheating while spam firing the weapon if you hold down your trigger too long during your firing (normally you can fire this weapon until clip is empty without any danger at all of overheat, but it is very easy to hold trigger too long while firing which can incrementally build up the heat surprisingly fast without contributing significant extra damage).
Overshadowed by SMG at all ranges - This is the most damning problem with the gun, in addition to being outperformed in the long range sidearm role by the bolt/scrambler, its is totally outclassed in short ranges by the SMG. The SMG tends to dump more damage and have much more stamina in a firefight, this makes the ion pistol look downright handicapped in comparison.
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Suggestions to fix the Ion Pistol:
Increase range to ~5-10m short of the scrambler pistol range (should end up at around 50-55 meters I think?), this will allow more strategic use of the charge shot at longer ranges, allow it to find a nice niche as a spammy pistol as a sidearm for short range primary weapons, etc.
Charge mechanic needs to be adjusted: at lower charged (less than 50% or so charge), the heat buildup should be much lower to make it less likely that you will accidentally overheat OR the damage ramp up needs to be increased so that less charged shots contribute significant damage. AND/OR in addition, fully charged shots should put heat to maximum value but NOT sieze the weapon, which will make it necessary to wait for heat dissipation or weapon switch, but not make it so you cant run away or defend yourself.
TL;DR:
The Ion Pistol is a decent weapon but is completely outclassed by other options, tweaking range and charge mechanics might help give this weapon a place in the game, but right now I'd rather have the SMG or one of the other pistols in 100% of circumstances. |
Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:06:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Here's the thing, SMG is king, Scp still oversampled, Bolt is the most op thing with AA it should be removed, and the ion pistol follows the footsteps of the Ar
Not sure what you're trying to say, SMG, breach SCRP, bolt pistols are in a great place right now. I agree that Ion Pistol is following in the footsteps of the AR, in that it is being entirely overshadowed by other options until CCP decides to do something about it and make the gun not just usable but genuinely good at something.
Im proposing to make that niche mid-range (45-55m) accurate, good volume pistol fire. This gives it a kind of middle ground between the high rate of fire SMG and the lower rate of fire/higher damage pistols, with the addition of the charge shot to give it some interesting tactical options. |
Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:23:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them.
Bolt pistol and breach scrambler are pretty good bruh, why you so negative |
Vesta Opalus
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Posted - 2015.03.18 02:29:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pistols suck.
Ratatti ruined them. Bolt pistol and breach scrambler are pretty good bruh, why you so negative All the other ones suck tho. Breaches are only alright because they can do so much alpha with headshots. Without Pistol headshots, they would suck too...
Flaylock pistol is fine, SMG is great, boundless SMG is better, nova knives are fun and good, and the magsec could use a little work but would be fine if the SMG didnt exist to make it look terrible. |
Vesta Opalus
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Posted - 2015.03.19 01:21:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:The only thing thats unique about the gun is the charge shot, but since it overheats and does pretty mediocre damage, it leaves you too open, especially given the pistol's range that pretty much guarantees you have someone on your doorstep ready to smack you around while you are vulnerable. I...why?! The charged shot does somewhere around 700 damage. That's mediocre? It's essentially a pocket ScR, and you can either open with the charged shot for a strong beginning or play peekaboo and kill almost any not-heavy suit with the charge. I can understand the overheat is punishing, but when you can one-shot many suits, it's a pretty fair trade. Not saying that the IP couldn't do with a little help (personally I think the dispersion could be a little tighter and the charge shaking when ADS is pretty extreme) but the charge shot is utterly brutal.
700 damage with a headshot maybe, mine does around ~3-400 at most, assuming it hits, and the aim is alot less certain with alot more downside than, for instance, a bolt pistol, with alot less effective range. |
Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.17 04:18:00 -
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Quick reminder that the Ion Pistol still has no real place in the dust armory, please fix XD |
Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.17 16:28:00 -
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I still think the base range needs to be improved up to just under scrambler pistol ranges, as long as this thing competes directly with the smg, its going to lose and be a poor choice of sidearm. |
Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.25 19:13:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:gall assault + IP. = **** you scouts and mediums. the amount of times I have actually killed red dots with the IP is hilarious. sharpshooter 5 and gall assault 5. IP is a beast.........when you invest the sp to make it so  also.......ever tried stacking complex sidearm mods and using its charged shot?
Why is it hilarious to you? When I murder people with the SMG or bolt pistol, it isnt hilarious, its just normal.
And I dont need to run my sidearm on the proper assault and invest 700k SP into the sharpshooter skills and equip sidearm damage mods to make other sidearms viable, they are viable right out of the gate. Also even after you invest all this crap for the Ion Pistol, its still a mediocre sidearm compared to the SMG and bolt pistols.
This is exactly what Im talking about here, why would anyone use this weapon when even the best case scenario for it cant even match up to a STD SMG with no skills and no damage mods? |
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